[Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military Members

Alex Hall mehgcap at gwi.net
Thu Jul 3 23:11:09 CDT 2008 

I know where they are coming from, I am simply saying that using 
organizations like that to support an anti-war sentiment is like 
asking for support for gun control laws from people who hate 
guns.

Have a great day,
Alex

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Nick Cocchiarella <tubacooch at gmail.com
>To: users at zonebbs.com
>Date sent: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:35:11 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military 
Members

>I actually can understand what those veterans are talking about,
>if I fought in world war II I would want world peace all my life.
>I'm sure it was a living hell for them, just as it was for their
>families, and the same rules apply for the soldiers and families
>of soldiers in Iraq today.  Those soldiers aren't dying just
>because they were caught in a freak accident, they go there
>knowing what they are going to face, and they know that they will
>never be the same again once they come out of it, if they come
>out of it...  but they do it for the good of our country, just as
>the UK, Australian, or South African (yes Hanif) would, and don't
>think they wouldn't.

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gwi.net
>>To: users at zonebbs.com
>>Date sent: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:17:22 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>Members

>>Are you saying that we killed those civilians, who (I assume) are
>>the Iraqi civilians killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom? I ask you:
>>how many of those were killed by extremists and insurgents? How
>>many were saved by American soldiers? Oh yeah, no one talks about
>>the good we have done over there, only the bad because it sells
>>better.  Are you telling me that it was okay to let Sadam keep
>>killing his own people, as long as it was not US doing the
>>killing? Do you think we should go in and help Africa, namely
>>Darfore (sorry for the spelling, I have only heard it spoken by
>>people and my computer, not seen it written)? If so, what is the
>>difference? People attack Bush for not helping other areas, but
>>if he did, you know as well as I that when a perfect solution was
>>not realized within a year or two the exact same thing would
>>happen as is happening with Iraq now.
>>No, I have not read the links yet, mainly because I have not had
>>the time to go through them all.  Besides, those types of links
>>are like gathering evidence against abortion from sites where
>>only people who regret abortion write; it is extremely bias.  I
>>do not see how you can provide evidence against war by using
>>groups like Veterans for Peace; of course they are against the
>>war, they have fought a war and want peace.  It kind of makes
>>sense, huh?

>>Have a great day,
>>Alex

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Hanif Kruger" <grr at kwagga.com
>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>Date sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:33:24 +0200
>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>Members

>>>Dear Person

>>>how do you justify the killing of 1.1 million civilian lives?  Do
>>you say
>>>that 3000 "thousand" americans died so now you may invade the
>>land of Iraq?
>>>Did Iraq attack you?

>>>Do yourself a favour, and read those links that I have posted.

>>>Just for your benefit, I will post them again, below.

>>>And read them, actually, realize that these are people who are
>>for the most
>>>part ashamed of what they are forced to do over there.  Note that
>>young
>>>people are being brain washed and yes, even merdered by their own
>>kind for
>>>standing up for justice.

>>>Would you like the price of oil to rise some more?  $3.7 for one
>>Kuwayti
>>>Dinar.  You are doing something wrong, somewhere.  Start by
>>looking at
>>>yourself before invading other countries for corporate benefit.

>>>Here follow the list of links I've posted before.

>>>Courage To Resist
>>>http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/

>>>Gold Star Families for Peace
>>>http://www.gsfp.org/

>>>Iraq Veterans Against the War
>>>http://www.ivaw.net/

>>>Military Families Speak Out
>>>http://www.mfso.org/

>>>Veterans Against the Iraq War
>>>http://www.vaiw.org/

>>>Veterans for Common Sense
>>>http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/

>>>Veterans for Peace
>>>http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

>>>Vietnam Veterans Against the War
>>>http://www.vvaw.org/

>>>Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation
>>>http://vvaf.org/

>>>VotersForPeace
>>>http://www.votersforpeace.us/

>>>And as usual, Take care and have a lovely day further.

>>>Hanif Kruger

>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap at gwi.net
>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:47 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>Members


>>>> What do you do for the military? I am not into attacking anyone,
>>>> especially the people that keep my country free.  I am part of
>>the Civil
>>>> Air Patrol, which is, because of my blindness, as close to the
>>Air Force
>>>> as I can get.  It has given me many opportunities, though, and
>>my best
>>>> friend's father returned from Iraq last year, so I am no
>>stranger to the
>>>> military and feel that people that attack our service- men and
>>-women
>>>> should take a turn serving.  As far as Iyana's comment about
>>soldiers
>>>> being mindless killing machines: what about military chaplains?
>>What about
>>>> the people that are in the military to rid the world of evil?
>>"But who are
>>>> you to say what is evil," I can hear you saying.  I think that
>>all humans
>>>> have a basic understanding of good and evil; it is evil to kill
>>3,000
>>>> civilians in an unprovoked attack; it is evil to brainwash
>>children into
>>>> putting on bombs and blowing up civilians; it is evil to kill
>>people just
>>>> because they do not believe the same things you do.  "But you
>>just said
>>>> that killing 'enemies' is good, but they are only enemies
>>because they do
>>>> not believe the same things we do." Not quite.  When someone
>>lives a life
>>>> according to the rules of evil instead of those of good, I
>>consider them
>>>> an enemy.  Just as I do not think that killers should be jailed
>>for a few
>>>> years and then given another chance, I do not believe that the
>>murderers
>>>> and their associates over in the Middle East and elsewhere in
>>the world
>>>> should be given a slap on the wrist, a Bible, and a free pass.
>>Go ahead
>>>> and attack me all you want, I actually find it rather amusing to
>>watch
>>>> people tear down what I say, and it is quite the mental exercise
>>to come
>>>> back with a response of my own.  For the record, I believe in
>>capital
>>>> punishment, in the war in Iraq, in the War on Terror, in our
>>military, in
>>>> the United States as a nation, and, at the same time, in the
>>sanctity of
>>>> life (when deserved), and in God.  I will end this here before I
>>think of
>>>> something else to ramble about, but know that while I may not
>>agree with
>>>> others' opinions I do listen to them and, if they can make a
>>case that is
>>>> well supported, I may even agree with them.

>>>> Have a great day,
>>>> Alex

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Davis,Alexandria SM CAP 119 ND/WG ANG CDT SQ"
>>>> <alexdavis at honorguardbugler.com
>>>>>To: users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>Date sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:03:53 -0500
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>> Members

>>>>>God forsaken huh? Well God has saved me plent of times on duty
>>>> thank you hahaha!

>>>>>On 02/07/2008, Iyana Kellerman <rainbow.lafaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Lol hanif, so agreed.  I've decided I'm sick of accommodating
>>>> the
>>>>>> emotions of everyone else around me so now I don't give two
>>>> shits
>>>>>> about it.  And I'm happy, too.  Makes me feel lighter not to
>>>> give
>>>>>> a damn.  Well, I'm not quite that mean, but it's a long story.
>>>>>> I'm a bit PO-ED and happy about it right now.  LOL
>>>>>> And by the way, maybe all people in this godforsaken military
>>>> are
>>>>>> a subhuman species that are made as mindless killing machines.
>>>>>> No, that's a generalization.  Though I believe there may be real
>>>>>> actual human subspecies out there that aren't quite as mindless
>>>>>> as some humans I could name, ah, let me shut up.
>>>>>> Iyana
>>>>>> Iyana

>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Hanif Kruiger" <grr at kwagga.com
>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:16:28 +0200
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>> Members

>>>>>>>Yo Sup

>>>>>>>It's good to hear that you've been kicked off from the site.
>>>>>> Extra good for
>>>>>>>you are in the US military.  That should not even be mentioned,
>>>>>> actually.
>>>>>>>Just because you are in a certain group, killing left and right,
>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>>exempt you from any rules or terms of services.

>>>>>>>And please, do tell all your friends to not join this site.  I
>>>>>> can't deal
>>>>>>>with anymore of your species.

>>>>>>>Have a lovely day further.

>>>>>>>Lmfao


>>>>>>>Hanif
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Iyana Kellerman" <rainbow.lafaye at gmail.com
>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:07 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>> Members


>>>>>>>> It's not because of that, it's just because there was a user
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> an incredibly long military name who created two accounts,
>>>>>>>> therefore for reasons of the admins, they are banning people
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> incredibly long military names for that purpose.  Come up with
>>>>>>>> something short, sweet, and to the point, and they might let you
>>>>>>>> on.  I don't believe they got anything against the military,
>>>>>>>> except that Bush is an idiot, but that's another story.  Plus,
>>>>>>>> it's against the law for a website to discriminate against
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> in any way on the Internet, isn't it?

>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: alexandria davis <classicaltrumpetplayer at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:06:28 -0400
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>>>> Members


>>>>>>>>>I have noticed that anyone who is in the military on this site or
>>>>>>>> has anything to do with it is directly and quickly banned.  I
>>>>>>>> hope that all who support the military will stop using this
>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>> I can't believe a site has such hatred for people who put their
>>>>>>>> lives on the line for them.  It's been nice knowing everyone for
>>>>>>>> a day or so, but I will have no more to do with this hateful
>>>>>>>> place.  I will find some way to make sure that noone else I know
>>>>>>>> ever visits this site.  Have a good day.



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