[Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military Members

Fri Jul 4 13:17:19 CDT 2008

once again, you don't know anything about my family and you haven't fought 
anywhere yourself.  Having someone in your family killing inocent people in 
a foreign land, does not, in my opinion make you all wise and better than 
the next person.

So, read and listen to those veterans from your own country; people with 
integrity.

I've never claimed that I fought in Iraq for a terrorist state, such as the 
one of wich you are a citizen, and I'm proud of the fact that I've not 
served in a foreign land.

And that, dear friend, is my view.

Getting all personal about it doesn't make what you are saying any more 
valid..

Have a lovely day further.
Hanif Kruger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Davis,Alexandria SM CAP 119 ND/WG ANG CDT SQ" 
<alexdavis at honorguardbugler.com>
To: <users at zonebbs.com>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military Members

> Once again, if you have never fought or been in a military family, you
> have no clue what the heck you're talking about!
>
> On 04/07/2008, Hanif Kruiger <grr at kwagga.com> wrote:
>> Wow, you surely read through the site with speed.  congratulations.
>>
>> So, are all veterans in iraq your friends?
>>
>> I'm not arguing, but, most of you seem rather, stubborn?  Brain washed? 
>> If
>> you don't like what I say, then, hell, at least take a breather and don't
>> get too excited when typing.  Ask your docter, maybe their's some drug to
>> keep you calm, when responding to email. JJ
>>
>> Have a lovely day further.Hanif
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap at gwi.net>
>> To: <users at zonebbs.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military Members
>>
>>
>>> Because I am very good friends with a man who has served in Iraq, and
>>> another very good friend has served there with the army Rangers as a
>>> sniper.
>>>
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Hanif Kruiger" <grr at kwagga.com
>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>Date sent: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:20:51 +0200
>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>> Members
>>>
>>>>Many of the US soldiers are still wet behind the ears; hardly out
>>> of
>>>>schooled, having been lied to about what they are fighting for.
>>>
>>>>I'm not going to argue about intentions and such, since you
>>> clearly have not
>>>>read any of the sites wich I have suggested.  Organizations that
>>> are all
>>>>against the occupation of Iraq.  While I am at it,  why don't you
>>> go and
>>>>listen to testomony by real men, real veterans that served in
>>> Iraq?  just go
>>>>to http://www.WarComesHome.orgg
>>>
>>>>If you going to comment any further, first do so after having
>>> listened to
>>>>the testomony on there.
>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap at gwi.net
>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:11 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>> Members
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I know where they are coming from, I am simply saying that using
>>>>>organizations like that to support an anti-war sentiment is like
>>> asking for
>>>>>support for gun control laws from people who hate guns.
>>>
>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>> Alex
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Nick Cocchiarella <tubacooch at gmail.com
>>>>>>To: users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:35:11 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>> Members
>>>
>>>>>>I actually can understand what those veterans are talking about,
>>>>>>if I fought in world war II I would want world peace all my life.
>>>>>>I'm sure it was a living hell for them, just as it was for their
>>>>>>families, and the same rules apply for the soldiers and families
>>>>>>of soldiers in Iraq today.  Those soldiers aren't dying just
>>>>>>because they were caught in a freak accident, they go there
>>>>>>knowing what they are going to face, and they know that they will
>>>>>>never be the same again once they come out of it, if they come
>>>>>>out of it...  but they do it for the good of our country, just as
>>>>>>the UK, Australian, or South African (yes Hanif) would, and don't
>>>>>>think they wouldn't.
>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gwi.net
>>>>>>>To: users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:17:22 -0400
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>>Members
>>>
>>>>>>>Are you saying that we killed those civilians, who (I assume) are
>>>>>>>the Iraqi civilians killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom? I ask you:
>>>>>>>how many of those were killed by extremists and insurgents? How
>>>>>>>many were saved by American soldiers? Oh yeah, no one talks about
>>>>>>>the good we have done over there, only the bad because it sells
>>>>>>>better.  Are you telling me that it was okay to let Sadam keep
>>>>>>>killing his own people, as long as it was not US doing the
>>>>>>>killing? Do you think we should go in and help Africa, namely
>>>>>>>Darfore (sorry for the spelling, I have only heard it spoken by
>>>>>>>people and my computer, not seen it written)? If so, what is the
>>>>>>>difference? People attack Bush for not helping other areas, but
>>>>>>>if he did, you know as well as I that when a perfect solution was
>>>>>>>not realized within a year or two the exact same thing would
>>>>>>>happen as is happening with Iraq now.
>>>>>>>No, I have not read the links yet, mainly because I have not had
>>>>>>>the time to go through them all.  Besides, those types of links
>>>>>>>are like gathering evidence against abortion from sites where
>>>>>>>only people who regret abortion write; it is extremely bias.  I
>>>>>>>do not see how you can provide evidence against war by using
>>>>>>>groups like Veterans for Peace; of course they are against the
>>>>>>>war, they have fought a war and want peace.  It kind of makes
>>>>>>>sense, huh?
>>>
>>>>>>>Have a great day,
>>>>>>>Alex
>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Hanif Kruger" <grr at kwagga.com
>>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:33:24 +0200
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>>>Members
>>>
>>>>>>>>Dear Person
>>>
>>>>>>>>how do you justify the killing of 1.1 million civilian lives?  Do
>>>>>>>you say
>>>>>>>>that 3000 "thousand" americans died so now you may invade the
>>>>>>>land of Iraq?
>>>>>>>>Did Iraq attack you?
>>>
>>>>>>>>Do yourself a favour, and read those links that I have posted.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Just for your benefit, I will post them again, below.
>>>
>>>>>>>>And read them, actually, realize that these are people who are
>>>>>>>for the most
>>>>>>>>part ashamed of what they are forced to do over there.  Note that
>>>>>>>young
>>>>>>>>people are being brain washed and yes, even merdered by their own
>>>>>>>kind for
>>>>>>>>standing up for justice.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Would you like the price of oil to rise some more?  $3.7 for one
>>>>>>>Kuwayti
>>>>>>>>Dinar.  You are doing something wrong, somewhere.  Start by
>>>>>>>looking at
>>>>>>>>yourself before invading other countries for corporate benefit.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Here follow the list of links I've posted before.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Courage To Resist
>>>>>>>>http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Gold Star Families for Peace
>>>>>>>>http://www.gsfp.org/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Iraq Veterans Against the War
>>>>>>>>http://www.ivaw.net/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Military Families Speak Out
>>>>>>>>http://www.mfso.org/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Veterans Against the Iraq War
>>>>>>>>http://www.vaiw.org/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Veterans for Common Sense
>>>>>>>>http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Veterans for Peace
>>>>>>>>http://www.veteransforpeace.org/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Vietnam Veterans Against the War
>>>>>>>>http://www.vvaw.org/
>>>
>>>>>>>>Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation
>>>>>>>>http://vvaf.org/
>>>
>>>>>>>>VotersForPeace
>>>>>>>>http://www.votersforpeace.us/
>>>
>>>>>>>>And as usual, Take care and have a lovely day further.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Hanif Kruger
>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap at gwi.net
>>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:47 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>>>Members
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you do for the military? I am not into attacking anyone,
>>>>>>>>> especially the people that keep my country free.  I am part of
>>>>>>>the Civil
>>>>>>>>> Air Patrol, which is, because of my blindness, as close to the
>>>>>>>Air Force
>>>>>>>>> as I can get.  It has given me many opportunities, though, and
>>>>>>>my best
>>>>>>>>> friend's father returned from Iraq last year, so I am no
>>>>>>>stranger to the
>>>>>>>>> military and feel that people that attack our service- men and
>>>>>>>-women
>>>>>>>>> should take a turn serving.  As far as Iyana's comment about
>>>>>>>soldiers
>>>>>>>>> being mindless killing machines: what about military chaplains?
>>>>>>>What about
>>>>>>>>> the people that are in the military to rid the world of evil?
>>>>>>>"But who are
>>>>>>>>> you to say what is evil," I can hear you saying.  I think that
>>>>>>>all humans
>>>>>>>>> have a basic understanding of good and evil; it is evil to kill
>>>>>>>3,000
>>>>>>>>> civilians in an unprovoked attack; it is evil to brainwash
>>>>>>>children into
>>>>>>>>> putting on bombs and blowing up civilians; it is evil to kill
>>>>>>>people just
>>>>>>>>> because they do not believe the same things you do.  "But you
>>>>>>>just said
>>>>>>>>> that killing 'enemies' is good, but they are only enemies
>>>>>>>because they do
>>>>>>>>> not believe the same things we do." Not quite.  When someone
>>>>>>>lives a life
>>>>>>>>> according to the rules of evil instead of those of good, I
>>>>>>>consider them
>>>>>>>>> an enemy.  Just as I do not think that killers should be jailed
>>>>>>>for a few
>>>>>>>>> years and then given another chance, I do not believe that the
>>>>>>>murderers
>>>>>>>>> and their associates over in the Middle East and elsewhere in
>>>>>>>the world
>>>>>>>>> should be given a slap on the wrist, a Bible, and a free pass.
>>>>>>>Go ahead
>>>>>>>>> and attack me all you want, I actually find it rather amusing to
>>>>>>>watch
>>>>>>>>> people tear down what I say, and it is quite the mental exercise
>>>>>>>to come
>>>>>>>>> back with a response of my own.  For the record, I believe in
>>>>>>>capital
>>>>>>>>> punishment, in the war in Iraq, in the War on Terror, in our
>>>>>>>military, in
>>>>>>>>> the United States as a nation, and, at the same time, in the
>>>>>>>sanctity of
>>>>>>>>> life (when deserved), and in God.  I will end this here before I
>>>>>>>think of
>>>>>>>>> something else to ramble about, but know that while I may not
>>>>>>>agree with
>>>>>>>>> others' opinions I do listen to them and, if they can make a
>>>>>>>case that is
>>>>>>>>> well supported, I may even agree with them.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "Davis,Alexandria SM CAP 119 ND/WG ANG CDT SQ"
>>>>>>>>> <alexdavis at honorguardbugler.com
>>>>>>>>>>To: users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:03:53 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>>>>> Members
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God forsaken huh? Well God has saved me plent of times on duty
>>>>>>>>> thank you hahaha!
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 02/07/2008, Iyana Kellerman <rainbow.lafaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Lol hanif, so agreed.  I've decided I'm sick of accommodating
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> emotions of everyone else around me so now I don't give two
>>>>>>>>> shits
>>>>>>>>>>> about it.  And I'm happy, too.  Makes me feel lighter not to
>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> a damn.  Well, I'm not quite that mean, but it's a long story.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a bit PO-ED and happy about it right now.  LOL
>>>>>>>>>>> And by the way, maybe all people in this godforsaken military
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> a subhuman species that are made as mindless killing machines.
>>>>>>>>>>> No, that's a generalization.  Though I believe there may be real
>>>>>>>>>>> actual human subspecies out there that aren't quite as mindless
>>>>>>>>>>> as some humans I could name, ah, let me shut up.
>>>>>>>>>>> Iyana
>>>>>>>>>>> Iyana
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Hanif Kruiger" <grr at kwagga.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:16:28 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning 
>>>>>>>>>>>>Military
>>>>>>>>>>> Members
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yo Sup
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>It's good to hear that you've been kicked off from the site.
>>>>>>>>>>> Extra good for
>>>>>>>>>>>>you are in the US military.  That should not even be mentioned,
>>>>>>>>>>> actually.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Just because you are in a certain group, killing left and right,
>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>exempt you from any rules or terms of services.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And please, do tell all your friends to not join this site.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>with anymore of your species.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Have a lovely day further.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lmfao
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hanif
>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Iyana Kellerman" <rainbow.lafaye at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning 
>>>>>>>>>>>>Military
>>>>>>>>>>> Members
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not because of that, it's just because there was a user
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an incredibly long military name who created two accounts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore for reasons of the admins, they are banning people
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incredibly long military names for that purpose.  Come up with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something short, sweet, and to the point, and they might let 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on.  I don't believe they got anything against the military,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that Bush is an idiot, but that's another story.  Plus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's against the law for a website to discriminate against
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in any way on the Internet, isn't it?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: alexandria davis <classicaltrumpetplayer at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <users at zonebbs.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:06:28 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Users] Protesting This Site Due to Banning Military
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Members
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have noticed that anyone who is in the military on this site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anything to do with it is directly and quickly banned.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that all who support the military will stop using this
>>>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe a site has such hatred for people who put 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives on the line for them.  It's been nice knowing everyone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a day or so, but I will have no more to do with this hateful
>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.  I will find some way to make sure that noone else I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever visits this site.  Have a good day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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